Monday, July 28, 2008

d.o.g. on Investment Lessons

d.o.g. is my favorite forumer who has provided much great insights.

He probably keeps a checklist on his investment principls as follows:

For points below, I would like to add:

1. When fundamentals deteriorate, sell NOW. - what about if it is temporary decline? I think he would say that good fundamentals seldom decline temporarily.

2. The market leader is not always a good investment - probably it may be a safer investment

8. Bet big on the great deals. - I AGREE! Especially what great deals are hard to come by.

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posted on 1-1-2008 at 06:33 PM



I hope everyone is having a good start to the New Year.

I have decided to revisit this ancient thread as a means to review what happened in 2007 and see if there was anything new I learned, compared with previous years (2005 and 2006).

1. When fundamentals deteriorate, sell NOW.

For 2007 I made "only" one mistake here, but it was a bad one. I quit too late, after 2 consecutive quarters of poor results. It cost me about 40% of my invested capital. If I had sold immediately after the first poor result, I would have lost "only" 20%.

So I have not gotten better here. Perhaps at least I am not getting much worse...

2. The market leader is not always a good investment.

Same as previous years. Investment outcome was more closely linked with the quality of the balance sheet and income statement, than with market share.

3. AGMs and EGMs are a valuable source of information.

Ditto with past years, but I attended fewer meetings in 2007 due to a shortage of leave (new job = pro-rated leave allowance).

4. The margin of safety must be sufficient.

I sold one of my largest holdings at essentially break-even levels, because I'd bought cheap enough that the dividends over the years covered my final capital losses. A successful escape.

5. Beware companies in cyclical industries.

I still have a large exposure to cyclical industries. I keep up by reading industry journals and tracking price/demand indicators.

As in previous years, no "buy and hold forever" for these companies. Make hay while the sun shines, as it were.

6. Dividends are important.

Many holdings paid special dividends. At year end I ended with a portfolio yield of over 11% on a current market value basis, and over 15% on a cost basis.

I say again: SHOW ME THE MONEY!

Of course, next year may not be so "special" for dividends, but I'll take whatever I can get.

7. Keep some spare investment ammunition.

Some opportunities came up and I deployed my available cash. But on hindsight, I realize I should have sold off my less attractive holdings and put even more money in. Now, the prices have gone up. Most annoying. Oh well.

I will still keep spare cash for immediate deployment. But going forward, I intend to sell inferior holdings in order to make big bets on the great deals.

So my new lesson for 2008 is:

8. Bet big on the great deals.

By "bet big" I mean 5% or more of the portfolio. I've had several 2-3% holdings that returned 100% or more. These had limited impact on the portfolio. The exception was Pan United Marine (PUM), but that was because it returned over 700%, so even a 3% initial weight for PUM could move the needle.

Most of the gains in dollar terms this year came from 2 large holdings. They account for over 50% of my portfolio's unrealized gains despite making up only 33% of the market value. So it seems better to make fewer big bets on outstanding deals, than many small bets on merely good deals.

This is analogous to the principle behind the Kelly formula used in betting: scale your bet to the weighted payoff. The larger the expected return (odds * payoff), the larger your bet should be.

Obviously, caveat investor: if you can't tell the outstanding from the merely good, diversification across lots of good deals would likely be a better strategy.

Other lessons from 2006

8. Watch out for changes in the core business

This is actually part of standard monitoring, so I won't consider it a lesson any more.

9. Watch the gross profit margin

This is part of the initial analysis and not a "lesson" either. So I'm removing this too.

Finally, HAPPY NEW YEAR!

As usual, YMMV.

FSL: Is the Business Model Substainable?

From the analysis by d.o.g., the sustainability of the business of the trust seem to hinge on the below:

1. Ability to raise new equity - depends market sentiment at that point in time
2. Ability to quicky grow earning accretive fleet size, hopefully to support high share price for #1


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posted on 31-1-2008 at 12:58 AM


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for business trust, the debt actually matures and gets repaid off
It is vitally important to understand what is happening with the debt carried by the shipping trusts.

In the specific case of FSLT, the debt is not being paid down over time - payments are interest-only until maturity, when a bullet principal payment comes due in 2014.

Before we look at numbers, here is some logical reasoning:

1. FSLT carries debt which must be repaid or refinanced eventually.
2. There is no guarantee that FSLT can raise money in the equity markets.
3. A conservative analysis assumes FSLT cannot raise money from the equity markets.
4. Ships age and wear out eventually.
5. All cashflows from vessel charters are paid out to unitholders.
6. Therefore, no internal funds are available to replace scrapped vessels.
7. The fleet shrinks in size and value over time, and liquidates when the last ship is scrapped.
8. Throughout this period, no principal payments on the debt have been made.
9. Since the fleet size and value are shrinking, the debt cannot be refinanced indefinitely.
10. No perpetual refinancing means the debt must be repaid.
11. The money to repay the debt must come from vessel charters or vessel sales.
12. Any valuation of FSLT must include a cash outflow to pay the debt.
13. Current yield ignores the future debt repayment.
14. DCF would accurately capture the outflow to repay the debt.

The ability of FSLT to survive as a going concern in the long term depends on its ability to continuously raise funds from the equity markets. It is equivalent to a company with a 100% cashflow payout policy, where no money is allocated to replacement capex. Eventually the equipment wears out or is obsolete. Since the company never kept any money to replace the equipment, it has to do a rights issue regularly or else liquidate. This is basically how FSLT is operating. If unitholders don't pay up, it will eventually liquidate with only scrap value for unitholders.

Like it or not, FSLT's payouts are part profits and part capital. The payments cannot be sustained in the long term - a rights issue must be done by 2014, or else assets must be sold to reduce the outstanding debt.

FSLT is a classic DCF case study. Most of the inputs are available from the IPO prospectus and the announcements - ship specifications, charter rates, charter duration, charter customers, buyout clauses, debt servicing schedule, even ship names!

The remaining inputs - future charter rates, future interest rates, discount rate - have a large influence on the value of FSLT. If you make reasonable assumptions, you'll get a decent approximation of what FSLT is worth. Of course, there is no reason why FSLT should trade anywhere near what it is actually worth.

Personally, I found the DCF exercise highly informative. I would strongly encourage all current and potential FSLT unitholders to do a DCF analysis and make a decision then, rather than simply buying on current yield alone.
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I am assuming the payments will terminate up till 2014, and hopefully by then the trust would have acquired additional assets to boost its profile and structure. Thus, any rights issue would then be well supported by unit holders who will be expecting more yield accretion after 2014.
This is missing the point entirely. If the unit price does not do well in the stock market, the trust CANNOT do a rights issue to acquire assets because it would not be DPU-accretive. Acquisitions would then have to be financed by debt which has to be paid back eventually. Anyway the remaining debt facility is only US$100m which doesn't buy much.

In other words the survival of FSLT as a going concern depends wholly on market sentiment - if the market yield is low, it can raise funds to buy vessels to renew the fleet. If not, sayonara.

If you think a bit deeper you will realize that even when the yield is low and equity can be raised, bigger and bigger acquisitions are needed to make an impact to DPU.

Worked example:

Units outstanding: 500m
Assets owned: $500m
Stock market yield: 6%
New assets: $250m
New asset yield: 9%
Units issued: 250m
New total units: 750m
Total assets owned: $750m
New stock market yield at same price: 7%

Suppose the price appreciates so the yield is back to 6%. To increase yield to 7%, the trust must again grow by 50% if it buys assets yielding 9% i.e. now it has to buy $375m of assets, reaching $1,025m of assets. The next round, it has to buy 50% of $1,025m, or $512.5m, and so on.

Since new investor money is buying assets rather than paying existing investors, shipping trusts are not a pyramid scheme. Still, the scale of acquisitions required to increase DPU grows at an unhealthy rate. If this 50% p.a. growth rate was sustainable, one trust would eventually control the world's fleet.

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As for using DCF to estimate the fair value, what estimates do you suggest for use in terms of future charter rates and scrap values of the current vessels ? Also, what discount rate should we factor which will give a realistic and reasonable assumption ? I am still learning about DCF and have yet to incorporate it into my valuation techniques (to my regret).
Scrap value is based on dollars per ton of steel content. You can Google for recent and long-term average prices for scrap steel. Cargo ships are pretty much all steel by weight; instruments and equipment don't weigh that much in percentage terms. For future charter rates, you can look at long-term averages, or use the renewal rates specified in some of the contracts.

Discount factor - you have to decide on an appropriate rate of return for yourself. As some have pointed out, this is roughly equivalent in concept to IRR. If the discount rate is set to the desired IRR then the value you get is the price you should pay to get that IRR.

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do you think the yield will begin to compress in the near future after shipping trusts make more yield accretive acquisitions ? This has happened for Seaspan and Danaos (both USA-listed shipping trusts) over time.
This depends entirely on market sentiment which is inherently unpredictable. It is foolish to gamble that the price will always be high enough that the trust can regularly raise funds to survive. It is a vicious cycle - if the yield is low to start with, it is easy to raise funds for DPU-accretive acquisitions. If the yield starts high, it is difficult. As the yield goes up it gets harder to raise funds.

For FSLT, the yield is so high that raising funds is impossible in the near term, and very difficult in the mid-long term. In other words, FSLT is probably doomed to liquidate or be taken over eventually, rather than survive, let alone grow. The 100% cashflow payout policy guarantees that the existing fleet can only shrink in value and size over time. Only favourable market sentiment can save FSLT, by allowing it to raise funds from unitholders to renew the fleet.

In order for FSLT to survive, *somebody* must drive the price high enough that it can raise funds and do DPU-accretive acquisitions. Think about the conglomerate boom in the US in the 70s - corporations were continously issuing shares at 20x PE to buy companies traded at 10x PE - it was always EPS-accretive. But once their stock prices fell, the acquisitions stopped, and the companies had to get EPS the old fashioned way - by actually doing business.

Closer to home, when the REITS were trading at 4% yields, they went on buying sprees to buy assets at 5% yields since it was DPU-accretive. Now that they are trading at 5-6% yields, the acquisitions have dried up. Some are trading at 8-10% yields and will not be able to buy assets at all except with debt, and then only to a limited extent. They will probably get taken over in future.

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if the shipping trust were to acquire assets consistently throughout its life such that the terminating point of the leases are staggered over several years, would this mean that we would have to continually tweak out DCF forecast to take into account the new acquisitions and the cash flows associated with them ?
Yes. In the case of FSLT this is trivial because its additional debt capacity is less than US$100m which buys only a couple more ships. Just assume it buys clones of one of its existing ships today. Like I said previously, FSLT is a classic DCF case study. Seldom will you find securities so well suited to a DCF analysis.

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based on projected yearly payout of 14c, you will get back the initial capital outlay in less than 7.5 years time, that is assuming no acquisitions, which is unlikely. By then, from what I can see from their financial statements, the value of the ships will be more than able to pay off the loans. Granted we haven't take into consideration the discount rate which is kind of offset by not taking in new acquisitions into account.


Saying you will get back your capital in 7.5 years is correct only if you assume the time value of money is ZERO. The discount rate CANNOT be set at zero because there is always the alternative of Singapore government bonds. At the minimum, it has to be set at the long-term SGS rate, and sensibly it should be quite a bit higher to compensate for business risk. To borrow a phrase from the police, "low risk doesn't mean no risk". Even discounted at the current 7-year SGS rate of 1.9%, you will find that 7.5 years of $0.14 payouts yield a PV of only $0.97.

In fact, before the 7.5 years are up, in 2014, 6 years' time, the debt must already be refinanced or paid back. Since the fleet will be older then, most likely only partial refinancing is possible i.e. some principal must be repaid. Whether you sell ships or commandeer cashflow to make a partial payment, future cashflow is reduced.

Acquisitions at the current price can only be done via debt which still needs to be repaid, and anyway US$100m doesn't buy enough ships to make much difference to DPU. Try it yourself and see. Equity-funded acquisitions are a gamble on market sentiment and should not be factored in at all.

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FSL has embedded a number of purchase options on a number of its ships - ie. the lessee has the right to purchase the ship.
Yes. This is a "sure lose" proposition for FSLT because when those ships come off lease, if charter rates are good the ships are worth more, but the lessee buys them at a discount. FSLT on the other hand has to buy in the open market at a high price. But if charter rates are poor then, the lessee walks away and FSLT is stuck re-chartering the ships at a low rate.

Why did FSLT take such a "sure lose" route? The answer is that in exchange for being able to get a bargain purchase price in future, the lessees agreed to pay slightly better charter rates. FSLT has sacrificed future profitability for current cashflow.

The 100% cashflow payout policy, early buyout clauses and bullet-payment debt all indicate that FSLT management is intent on maximizing short-term cashflow, even at the cost of future viability.

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they are totally bewildered as to why the stock price continues to sag when they have delivered ahead of their own targets.

The investment merits would improve dramatically if they reduced the payout ratio and retained sufficient cashflow to renew the fleet. Then rights issues would truly grow the company instead of merely keeping it alive.

Since being listed doesn't affect the business operations of a company, let's suppose FSLT was not listed, and you were the sole owner. Then:

1. The fleet wears out over time and must be replaced;
2. All cashflow is paid out;
3. No money is available to renew the fleet;
4. The fleet shrinks over time

Now the management calls you up and says: Please give us some money to buy ships. We'll sell you shares at a cheap price. The ships will generate cash which we will pay back to you. However, next year, and every year after that, we will ask you again for more money to buy ships. If you don't give us the money we will have to shut down.

What would your reaction be? Personally I'd have a few choice words for management who can't keep a company running on its own steam, and need continuous cash injections just to stay alive.

A 100% cashflow payout is totally inappropriate for an asset-heavy business, because then it requires continuous rights issues to replace worn-out assets.

Osim - A Fallen Star?


The former darling stock has fallen from the grace - being quoted at $0.27 as of 28 Jul 08.

There have been many sceptics as well as many contrarians about the business of Osim, debates about empty showrooms vs low-volume-high-margin products, strong branding power, superior products etc.

In the recent years, performances had been hit by the negative news in China from the imitations and copy-cat competitors, as well as the "indigestion" (high interest costs & 3 quarterly losses/ per year kind of business) from swallowing the elephant - Brookstone.
With the US recession and possibly slower-growth around the world in the coming period, Osim would be facing a uphill task in improving its results.

Does the brand of Osim really have the pricing power, with so many competitors coming up? Will it be like Lifebrandz and its Extrim products that frizzled-off and fell after a spectaclar performance during its early stage of product-life cycle?

Osim has announced strategy of roll-out more new products in the shorter span of time to fight competitions and to boast sales- looks like a desperate attempt to me, not too different a strategy used by Lifebrandz to fight a losing war on declining sales.


It remains to be seen if the branding power of Osim can keep it business rolling-forward.



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With all their main business still healthy in US and other parts of the world


A look at their latest financial results suggests otherwise. In particular the China business dropped by half. In the US it remains a challenge to make Brookstone consistently profitable.

2 key points:

1. Business Fundamentals. IMHO the massage accessory business was never all that attractive to begin with. Even in its heyday, I don't recall Osim's net profit margin ever clearing 10%. Considering that Osim is a brand manager with no manufacturing assets to deal with, 10% is not a difficult hurdle. But Osim didn't help itself with lots of high-rent locations (see: Breadtalk). And with competitors jumping in left and right, the margins could only go down.

2. Execution. The Chinese have a saying: a snake cannot swallow an elephant. Brookstone was a much bigger entity than Osim. Ron Sim has slowly discovered that it is not easy to change corporate culture. Furthermore, he is crossing an ocean to do it. And there is the race factor: for all its melting-pot claims, corporate America remains a difficult nut for minorities to crack. Historically, most mergers and acquisitions have failed, and Osim's particular odds with Brookstone could politely be described as challenging.

As usual, YMMV.


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Post: #19RE: OSIM International Limited - WS8's darling

Massage chairs, leg massagers, body shapers and those gallopers ( sorry, I do not know their proper names ) are not what you termed as “needs” for most consumers. These are what people buy if they have extra money or when they happen to buy on impulse. Some must have regretted after buying huge massage chairs and finding them being under utilized in their small HDBs or condos . The other products are merely gadgets. These gadgets attract some attention when first released but sales soon tapered off as imitations from competitors surface and interest from consumers wane at the same time. Products thus have very short lifespan and more money is needed on R&D to improve on existing products or to introduce new products.

We have to understand that these so called health care or lifestyle products are merely fads that last for months and not years. Companies selling these products have to compete against each other on pricing and quality. Higher priced products like massage chairs are now facing an uphill battle as they have to compete against other household gadgets like LCD TVs, Desk Top computers and Notebooks that are selling between $1000 to $2000. In the past, LCD Tvs, Plasma Tvs and notebooks cost upwards of $3000 , massage chairs that cost below $3500 had a fair chance of attracting the consumers dollars . Consumers were then waiting for prices of TVs and notebooks to come down. These days note books and LCD/Plasma are cheaper than most but the lowest priced Chairs. The choice is clear when deciding between a notebook for the children or a massage chair for the parents. Or between a new TV for the whole family or a massage chair for the grandparents.

So these higher priced ( higher margins as well ? ) massage chairs are no longer moving out of the showrooms. Not that these were selling like hotcakes previously. Just like Winston , I do not know anyone who have bought a massage chair. I do not even know anyone who knows anyone who bought one !!! But maybe I have very few friends.

I am not sure that their health supplements business is a cash cow. I knew that the company was struggling before being bought over. They have too many outlets at too many expensive shopping centers. It is not easy to compete against other big guys like Unity ( NTUC ), Guardian ( Dairy Farm ), Nature Farm and to some extent , Watsons . Add a few MLM ( no rentals and salary burden ) guys into the mix and you have a tough time trying to cover rising rentals and labour costs.

Ok, so far we have been discussing about the merits or demerits of this type of business.

We are all debating how many teeth a horse has. But someone said that the best way to know how many teeth a horse has, is to open the horse’s mouth and count those teeth.

(I am looking at their last financial year end….though a glimpse of their latest quarter continue to see falling sales and weak cash flows )

On opening the horse’s mouth and looking at their year end financial statements you can see that sales have dropped from $623 mio to $523 mio. Sales in North Asia and South Asia have both dropped dramatically. Only sales in M.E. , Europe and US showed an increase ( BUT latest quarter shows a drop compared to last year Q 1 ).

This is consistent with products of this nature. Interest in these products tend to die a natural death after an initial boost during fresh launches in new countries. How many consumers will buy a second massage chair to replace the first one ? Most people have to buy another TV or notebook to replace the old ones but massage chairs ?

Looking at the balance sheet, one see current assets of $144 mio and debts ( current and long term ) of $199 mio. Of the $144 mio in current assets , you see $71 mio in inventories, approx $44.6 mio of receivables in various forms. Only about $27.7 mio cash but $199 mio debt.
In the cash flow statements, you will see that for 2 years in a row that cash at the end of the year is lower than the beginning of the year.

Now that we have counted the teeth, it is up to the individual investors to decide whether they should bet on this horse. One must also be aware that stock price movements sometimes do not depend on fundamentals. Prices can move up or down due to short term supply and demand.

For traders who trade on expected price movements, the criteria is purely that. Traders can make money from any stocks, good or poor fundamentals, as long as it moves.
However ,for investors looking to for a business to buy, you will have to decide whether a business is sustainable going forward.

This post was last modified: 23-04-2008 11:21 PM by Munger

Sunday, July 27, 2008

Big Cap vs Small Cap Investing

This discussion on small cap investing was picked up form the Wallstraits Forum.

To a certain extend, I agreed that there are highers risks associated with small caps without long track records, that are obscure and unknown names. However, I believe each stock has to be assessed on its own merits. All great companies would have started small and grown over time to become great. Basically, it is the business fundamentals and management of the companies that can help leap the companies to greater heights.

From my personal investment, some examples:

(1) Small cap that have growth to great heights and remained there are: Total Automation, CSE, Celestial Goodpack, Vicom & Unisteel.
- Great business fundamentals, monopolistic-like business, leader in the industry

(2) Small cap that experienced highs and lows: ASJ, HTL, Taisin, CG Tech, Fibrechem
- Cyclical business trends, high volume-low margin busines, depending on industry trend, affected by volatile raw material prices

(3) Small cap that decline: Bright Orient, Global Test, JEL, Unifood, QAF, New Toyo, Swing Media
- Little product differentiation, high volume-low margin busines, compete on costs, cyclical business trends

Group 2 & 3 types are similar in characteristics.

Nevertheless, the discussion below is still a good reference.

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Post: #1WS8 Portfolio - long term performance

If WS held its major holdings until now, how about its performance?

Current major holdings:
(stock - bought/latest price, change)
1. Dayen - 0.60 / 0.14, -77%
2. China PowerPlus - 0.26 / 0.13, -50%
3. Sunray - 0.06 / 0.045, -25%


Previous major holdings:
(stock - bought/latest price, change)
1. Unifood - 0.50(adjust) / 0.13, -74%
2. JEL - 0.20(adjust) / 0.05, -75%
3. Sunray - 0.25 / 0.045, -82%
4. OSIM - 0.20(adjusted) / 0.28, 6-year gain +40%(sold too early, good decision)
5. Celestial - 0.35 / 0.755, 4-year gain +114% (sold too early, bad decision)
6. Unisteel - sold too early, poor decision
7. Asia Power - 0.36 / 0.21, -41%
8. BeautyChina - bought 0.50, now 0.51
9. China Paper - bought then sold very quick
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Post: #3RE: WS8 Portfolio - long term performance

Warren Buffett says " An investor needs to do very few things right as long as he avoids big mistakes ".

In the stocks above, investors who pick them are trying to be a bit too clever. You may be thinking that these are value stocks after you go over them with the usual tenets of value investing. You may find that they qualify on every counts and like WS8, they passed with flying colours on all their 8 tenets.

However, investors fail to realise that all the above companies do not have a long term track record. Most of the companies above do not really ring a bell with the laymen before they were listed. After they were listed, only stock markets followers heard of these companies.

Claims that these are value stocks and are undiscovered gems were simply illusions.
Many of these companies above ( and many on the SGX or Catalist ) are simply not going to be good investments. For short to medium term punting, yes. But to own like a business ? No !! You will probably make some money if you just buy and sell them.
And with Chinese stocks, you add another level of uncertainties with corporate governance. You do not even know if you can trust those numbers and those stories that management put out.

If you data mine hard enough through all the 850-900 stocks you will find many of these stocks with IMPRESSIVE numbers and TALL stories. But why need to go through all the trouble looking through all those stocks with funny sounding names ? Even with so called familiar name like Osim, you will still think many times . What is its competitive advantage ? Did you go through their numbers ? Not just the impressive numbers , but the meaning behind the numbers.

From 2002 to 2005, one can buy good companies at very cheap prices. Not just unusual names but names that we know well with managements of integrity. Just do a check on the prices of the following stocks like Keppel, Sembcorp, FNN ,Capitalmall ( new name but we knew the maangement/parent ), SGX, CityDev, Singland, Singtel and a few more.
Even if you managed to pick 3 to 5 of these companies and put ALL your cash in them from 2002 to 2005 and reinvest all the dividends in them and even continue to put money in them ....up to a point when they are no longer termed attractive....you are still ahead today, despite the more than 20 percent correction in our stock market. You need not have sold them , just dont buy them when the margin of safety is not there. How does one know ?

If one is a ' margin of safety ' type of investor , one would . One who knows when not to buy when it is no longer " cheap " , I dont mean one knows that the stock market is going to crash. Of course one will do much better if one sells everything near/at the top. But not many are so clever. The beautiful thing is, one need not be so clever. There's never any need to sell at the top. You just dont buy them when there is no ' margin of safety '.

The mistakes with many so called value investors is that they data mine and pick some unknown obscure stocks and think they they have found some great businesses. I am afraid that most investors will be disappointed by how most of these picks never fulfill their so call potentials. Many are simply ugly ducklings that will never turn to swans. They are never swans in the first place. Some of these stocks move up during the bull run but crash back to where they started from. All this while not paying or paying very little dividends. So these value investors may feel that all that they learn and practice are wrong. Some will point out the mistakes of these investors to show this method is wrong. But it is not the method thats at fault but the practitioners themselves.

In fact investors just need to pick a few tried and trusted busineses when they are available at a great price. Put plenty of money in them and stick with them. And if you have picked them correctly, your job is almost done. If you have picked those trusted names when they were selling at a discount, the dividends they pay today may range from 10% to 50% of your initial buying price and maybe 5 to 20% of your average price. And over the last few years, dividends collected and reinvested ( thus generating new dividends ) can be more than 100% of the initial investments. So, even today, in a bear market, the dividends these investors collect in a single year can beat what many other investors make during the last phase of the bull run.

But many so called value investors try too hard, when what they are looking for are just in front of them. They pick some obscure names instead of trusted names. Some manage to see whats in front but never have the conviction to put ALL ( I do not mean margin or contra ) but only invest in drips and drabs. The opportunity is thus lost when you just put in 3,5, or 8 percent of your available funds. But your available funds are probably 30 to 50 percent of your total net worth as many have residential properties. This means many invest less than 5 percent of thier net worth. And when the next cycle comes around , the same mistakes are repeated. Worse, many bought too little and sell too soon. Two mistakes in this instance, not one. Many times you read in the papers on Sunday when investors sounded impressive by recounting their best investments...85 pct, 135 pct or 200 pct in this stock, in that stock......but most of the time their so called BEST investmnets is only 1 to 2 pct of their actual net worth !!! At times even less.

I sounded like I am against small caps, unproven companies. On the contrary, I am not. I own small caps but I do not datamine and buy a chunk of small caps. Just a couple but buy a lot and keep adding. I buy them when the big caps are not cheap ( not price wise but valuation wise as $18 can still be cheap and 1 cent can be ridiculously expensive ) anymore. But you have to do much more work. You must be really good at reading between the lines when checking their financial statements. You have to check their businesses from time to time. Like visiting the shops, checking the supermarkets, talking to suppliers,vendors, employees……always kicking those the tyres.

One forumer here is very good at doing both. You will notice that he almost always stick to local companies, where corporate governance is less of an issue ( I say less not NO, but because these companies are here, we can weed out those we think are suspect ). These local small caps can also be checked upon easily. I don’t think he has recommended too many CHINA type of stocks. In fact he had warned forumers many times of companies with dubious managements.

So investing is simple but not easy. Picking a good business, buy a lot at a low price and hold on to it for dear life is not easy. Few can do ALL 3 of the above. And yes it can be done in Singapore with Singapore stocks. Not some of those funny names but those names that have been around for a long time. It is much simpler.
Finding a Raffles Education is beyond me but fortunately there are many familiar names. And over the years, they are available at discounts from time to time.

Please note that this is NOT to critisize other investing methods or to convince others to switch to the simple way of investing.
Rather , I am preeching to those new converts like Musicwhiz. To encourage them that it CAN be done here and there's nothing wrong with this method.